SAYSO Coaches’

 

Smart Book

 

 San Andreas Youth Soccer Organization

 

2002-2003 Season

 

Introduction      …………………………………………………………………..2

Abbreviations   …………………………………………………………………..3

CYSA Classes of Play, D2 Leagues of Play, Indoor, ODP        …………………..4

Dealings with the State; CYSA Insurance          …………………………………..5

Dealings with the District; Tournaments …………………………………...............6

Dealings with the Redwood League…………………………………………….....7

Donations………………………………………………………………………...8

Dealings with the RWL Registrar; Playing Class 1          …………………………..9

Player Passes   ………………………………………………………………….10

Game Cards     ………………………………………………………………….11

Dealings with Clubs; Paid Coaches       ………………………………………….12

Referees for RWL Games         ………………………………………………….13

League Games, Scrimmages, Friendlies, and Practice Games     ……............…….14

Reporting League Game Scores; Keeping your own Record      ………………….15

Coaching Etiquette; Play Anyway          ………………………………………….16

What Cancels a Game After You Arrive           ………………………………….17

Protests            ………………………………………………………………….18

RWL Playing Conventions        ………………………………………………….19

Smart Coaching            ………………………………………………………….20

Soccer Safety/Risk Management           ………………………………………….21

Unacceptable Coaching Behavior          ………………………………………….22

Recruiting/Tryouts         ………………………………………………………….23

Poaching          ………………………………………………………………….24

Rule Changes; Differences; High School Play Prohibition           ………………….25

Red Card Processing Procedures          ………………………………………….26

 

INTRODUCTION

 

Purpose of the “Smart Book”

        To help you be the best coach you can be.

        To help you to be administratively successful.

 

Where to obtain additional information

        SAYSO office

        Links on SAYSO's website

 Abbreviations

 

AYSO – American Youth Soccer Organization

C3PL – D2’s Class 3 Playing League

C4PL – D2’s Class 4 Playing League (same as RPL)

Comp – Competitive (Class 3)

CYSA – California Youth Soccer Association

D2 – District 2

DC – District Commissioner

DR – District Registrar

FDT – Foreign document translation

HLP - Home League President

HS – High School

ODP – Olympic Development Program

Rec  - Recreational (Class 4)

RPL – D2’s Class 4 Playing League (same as C4PL)

RWL – Redwood Junior Soccer League

SPL – State Premier League

USYS – United States Youth Soccer

 

CYSA CLASSES OF PLAY

 

Class 4: “rec” (equivalent to AYSO)

Class 3: “comp”

Class 2: “select” (not age-pure)

Class 1: “select” (theoretically age-pure)

Premier: Class 1, (U16 and U19 only)

(ODP): A separate, parallel play route

 

D2 LEAGUES OF PLAY

 

Registration league v. Playing league

 

“0203” – District 2, League 3 (RWL)

 

District leagues (Abronzino, C3PL, C4PL, Spring)

 

INDOOR SOCCER

 

Not CYSA programs

Not insured by CYSA or SAYSO

 

ODP ISSUES

       

        ODP takes priority over CYSA league games

          Cannot stop player from trying out or playing ODP

          Technically, ODP practices don’t conflict

          Teams WILL lose ODP players on ODP play days

 

DEALINGS WITH THE STATE

 

            Few

        Receiving “Soccer Cal”

        Applying to State Cup

        Reporting injuries and filing insurance claims

        Applying to (some) coaching license courses

        Protesting district decisions

 

CYSA INSURANCE

 

Details of coverage (see CYSA Team Manual)

        Amounts: $2,000,000 (liability);

 $300,000 (accident/injury – “excess policy”)

        Duration: 12 months, until August 31

Activities covered

        Games

        Tournaments

        Practices

        Tryouts

        “sponsored activities”

        Travel to and from

Personnel covered

        All players

        All adult team officials; referees; volunteers

Who needs a “named certificate”?

How to get a “named certificate”

 

DEALINGS WITH THE DISTRICT

 

        Applying to District Cup

                Application does not have to go

                     through D2 tournament coordinator

        Applying to other tournaments

                (goes through the D2 tournament coordinator,

                except for State and Association Cups)

        Traveling papers (through League registrar)

        Protesting league decisions

 

TOURNAMENTS

 

No minimum; no maximum; no requirement

        Application procedure

        Application goes to D2 Tournament Coordinator,

                not sponsoring tournament coordinator

        Can only apply to one tournament per date

        Teams applying to State Cup must play

             in at least 3 league games

       

DEALINGS WITH THE

REDWOOD LEAGUE

 

                    RWL Officers

                    President

                        Vice-President

                        Secretary

                        Treasurer

                        Registrar

                        Scheduler

                        Referee Coordinator

                        Publicist

                        Coaching Director

                    

League activities

                        Informational

                        Registration

                        Scheduling

                        Disciplinary, protests, appeals, forfeits, dispute resolution

                          

        League meetings

                3rd Monday of each month

                Belmont Sports Complex, Belmont

7:00 p.m.

                All coaches are invited

 

        AGM (RWL) in January

Elections

        Constitutional changes

 

DONATIONS to SAYSO

       

        Nonprofit status

                CYSA – “is” but you can’t use it

                RWL – “is” and you might be able to use it

                SAYSO –  “is” and you can use it

        “Donation” v. “Advertising Expenses”

        Procedure for using SAYSO nonprofit status

to solicit donations

-        inform SAYSO

-        solicit funds, payable to “SAYSO”

-        SAYSO will issue a receipt, showing

Federal nonprofit number

-        SAYSO will hold funds for you and reimburse you for receipted expenses up to amount of donation

 

DEALINGS WITH THE

REGISTRAR

 

        SAYSO coaches deal only with the SAYSO office

        Only the SAYSO registrar interact with the RWL registrar

        Activities

                Source of forms

                Adds, transfers, releases, replacement passes

                Requesting release to play class 1

Drop off and pick up point: SAYSO office

Turnaround is not instantaneous

Registration paper path

        You, SAYSO registrar, RWL registrar, D2 registrar,

         RWL registrar, SAYSO registrar, you

 (No, you can’t hand carry it around.)

Can’t deal directly with the RWL or District registrars

DON’T (even try to) falsify player credentials

 

PLAYING CLASS 1

        

        Class 1 play starts at U11; until then, everyone is Class 3

        Qualifications

        Must be requested

                SAYSO will prepare written request letter

                RWL Information Form

        When to request

 

        PLAYER PASSES

 

        Needed for all SAYSO players in RWL

        No pass – no play – no exception

        Laminated

        Ringed together in the same sequence as your goldenrod

 

        Signing the passes

                - same as on the birth certificate

- same as on the goldenrod

- same as on the front of pass

Okay to sign twice

If laminated, sign with Sharpie pen and cover with

        transparent tape.

 

GAME CARD

 

Serves as the referee’s record of the game

Verifies scores and outcomes for league winners

Records protests (before game)

Supports referee send-offs

Checks on referee performance (after you complain)

Determines who gets paid

 

        How to fill out

                Front

                Back

                Stamp and address (RWL games)

        Use self-adhesive, preprinted rosters

        What to do with completed game cards

                Only referees should end up with game cards.

                But, coaches often do.

                Mail to league referee coordinator.

 

DEALINGS WITH SAYSO

 

        Status of clubs (per CYSA)

 

Required SAYSO positions (for RWL purposes)

President

Club registrar

Club referee coordinator

Club field coordinator

       

        What does for you

                Representation at RWL monthly meetings

                Information feed (deadlines)

                Cashiering (no private team checkbooks)

                Paying coaches

                Providing uniforms (home (white) and away)

                Reserving fields (no "bandit" teams)

                Assigning game times

                Assigning and paying referees

                Checking your registration forms

                Laminating your passes

                Offering coaching licensing courses

                Offering referee licensing courses

 

REFEREES FOR SAYSO GAMES

 

        Who gets (assigns) referees

               Class 3 (U8-U10): SAYSO referee coordinator

        Class 1 (U11-U16): SAYSO referee coordinator

        Class 1 (U17-19): D2 referee coordinator

 

        Qualifications of SAYSO referees

                Certification – “USSF”

                Not the team coach

                Not related by blood or marriage

                Uniformed

                Insured

        Minimum age: 16

        “Club” linesman (may only call OOB)

        Quantity of referees: 1 CR; 2 ARs

        SAYSO office will pay

Referee Abuse/Assault (don’t even....)

-    Abuse (verbal) or assault (physical)

- Both get reported to SAYSO

-   physical abuse/assault is prosecuted by state

 

LEAGUE GAMES,

SCRIMMAGES,

FRIENDLIES,

and PRACTICE GAMES

 

        Definitions

                League games (on the schedule)

                Friendlies and practice games (with player passes)

                Scrimmages (without passes)

To play with/without referees

        Red cards issued in practice games are handled

                the same as regular league games

        Mixed classes

                Avoid “contamination”

                Doesn’t hurt the class 1 team

                Practicing together is permitted

        Games outside of D2: with permission or DC only

Mixed organizations/affiliations: check with SAYSO office 

 

REPORTING

 LEAGUE GAME SCORES

 

        RWL scores reported via the web

        How reported

                Web: http://redwoodsoccer.org

                Phone: (method not available)

        Cricket Program and SAYSO PDP!

                Phone: (650) 593-5161

                Fax: (650) 593-9733

                Email: info@sayso.org

        Scores are verified by other team’s report and by game cards

 

KEEPING YOUR OWN RECORD

 

        Keep your own record (placement and W/L/T)

                RWL does not maintain cumulative record

            

        Keep separate records for

                League games

                Tournaments

                District Cup

 

 

COACHING ETIQUETTE

 

        RWL schedule only lists the day

        SAYSO schedule lists time and location

                Games can be shifted if both teams agree

        Show respect to the other team

Scheduling games

                        No “coachmanship”

                Call at least a week in advance

                Your club should have your schedule in advance

                        Reasonable times

                        Not before 9:00 a.m.

                        Younger games earlier

                        Observe SAT dates (play mid-, late-afternoon)

                        Honor religious holidays

                        Accommodate reasonable requests

                Weekday evenings are permitted

                Games CAN be made up after HS season

Automatic reschedule

                Weather

Tournament weekends

        ODP is not an automatic reschedule

                           

PLAY ANYWAY

 

        “We don’t have enough players”

          “We can’t play on the regularly scheduled day”

          “We don’t have a referee”

          “We don’t have a field”

          “We don’t want to play”

 

WHAT CANCELS

A GAME

AFTER YOU ARRIVE

 

        FORFEIT

 

        Insufficient number of players showing up for a game

        No coach at game

        No player passes; no coach pass

        No referee

 

        RESCHEDULE

 

        Lightning; fog; darkness

        Other dangerous field conditions

 

        LEAGUE ACTION REQUIRED

 

        Abuse or attack (verbal or physical) on any person

        Cancellation by referee

        Abandonment by either team

 

PROTESTS

 

        Generally, play the game and protest later

        League (not referee or coach) awards forfeits

What is protestable

        League games only

        2-man system

        “Only violations of the Constitution, By-laws, and Rules and Regulations, or the

 misapplication of the “Laws of the Game” shall be proper subjects for action.”

        What is not protestable

        What both teams agreed to BEFORE game

        Unqualified referee AFTER game begins

        Bad (judgment) calls made by referee

        Trifles (e.g., no corner flags)

Cost of filing a protest ($50)

        (Returned if you are successful)

How to do it

Protest before the game starts

Write on game card

Notify RWL within 5 days

What can be tolerated if both coaches agree

        Number of referees

        Length of game

        Conflicting team colors

Missing corner flags or net

Bad or nonexistent lines

Incorrect field dimensions

Conflicting GK colors

Condition of field (unless unsafe)

Rain or weather

 

SAYSO PLAYING CONVENTIONS

(SAYSO does not have specific written rules or requirements for these)

 

RWL does not require

-        banner or flag

-        pins or patches

-        ceremonial pennants

-        exchange (friendship) gifts

No RWL requirements as to uniforms

        Jewelry (referee judgment)

                Religious medallions generally permitted

                “New” ear piercings not permitted

                        (Don’t ask to tape.)

                Fingernail nonsense

        “Doo rags” (referee judgment)

        Goalkeeper may wear a (safe) hat

        Prescription glasses may be worn

        Sunglasses permitted only if prescription and if safe

        Tennis shoes permitted

        Casts, air splints, metal splints, and

unpadded braces not permitted

        Padded knee braces are permitted

        Helmets and headgear not permitted

        Blood on player requires clean-up

        Running up the score permitted

Slide tackles per FIFA

Substitution after yellow card required

Both team benches on same side of field

       

It is coach’s responsibility to control spectators

    (referee will stop the game and ask the coach

    to come to the spectator side)

 

SMART COACHING

 (for the good of the game and players)

 

        Read the CYSA Team Manual

It’s for fun for most of these players, no matter

                how important it may be to you

        Establish explicit game behavior expectations

 for spectators, players, parents, and coaches

(Referees may not be yelled at.)

        Establish communications

Use an answering machine

Train your players to take the initiative to call in

Have at least two team officials

Be professional

Be on time

Be as reliable as you want your players to be

        Have a dedicated team coaching bag

        Carry a team roster in your coaching bag

        Carry a medical kit in your coaching bag

        Carry stamped, addressed envelopes to give to referee

             for red cards

        Carry file, stud wrenches

        Learn some basic trainer skills

                CPR

                Treatment of bruises and sprains

                Treatment for shin splints

Taping ankles, etc.

        Carry your own (net), corner flags, and roll of duct tape

Have an alternate uniform or carry pinneys

 

Soccer Safety/Risk Management

 

Learn goal safety

Encourage use of proper protective equipment

Do not teach or permit dangerous play

Do not permit dangerous play comments

Bring medical release forms to every event

Have a copy of family medical card,

with name of hospital preferred for each player

Carry a medical kit

Carry a cell phone

        Don’t leave a player alone after practice or game

        Don’t put players names on jerseys when young

        Don’t overrule a doctor’s or parent’s request

        Don’t play doctor

        Head trauma = no play

Don’t let an injured player play (and don’t request)

Don’t issue medication (without a release)

Always leave the decision to play up to the parent

Require a written release to return to play

Rule 18 (Common sense)

 

UNACCEPTABLE

COACHING BEHAVIOR

 

        Touching

        Verbal or physical abuse

        Paying players for performance

Teaching or suggesting cheating or injurious techniques

        Making unreasonable, untrue, or unkept promises

        Cheating

        “Gamesmanship”

        “Trash talking”, “taunting”, unkind comments

                “Get in the game.”

                “ We’re playing down to their level.”

                “You can beat that girl – she’s slow.”

        Playing a suspended player

Playing an unregistered or guest player

        Playing before waiting period (7 days)

        Switching players/uniforms/etc.

        Recruiting violations

                Pressuring a player with nonvarsity status

                Poaching

 

RECRUITING

 

        D2 tryouts website

          How you can do it

                On your own (non SAYSO teams)

                SAYSO tryouts

                RWL does not have organized tryouts

        When you can do it

Disallowed: promises as recruitment incentives

        Scholarships

varsity play

ODP

foreign travel

promise of playing positions

starting

playing time

        SAYSO scholarships may be mentioned but not offered

        How to take players from another team

                        Recruit for “next” year.

                        Don’t approach the player, and don’t use agents.

                        Communicate openly with the other coach.

                        Don’t provide the transfer form.

 

POACHING

 

(CYSA Specific Rule 4:06:06) “Any team which, through its responsible officials, officers, or representatives, attempts to induce a registered player … to leave his/her team before the end of the current seasonal year shall be deemed to have committed an offense for poaching…”

 

Prosecution

Punishment  (90 days suspension, D2)

        Player “ownership”

        No one “owns” a player

        When a player wants to leave, let him/her.

        CYSA will always “side” with the player’s wishes.

 

TRYOUTS

        Insurance

        Using the official player registration form for tryouts

        Use Spring play

Changing your mind about a player

 

DIFFERENCES

 

CYSA rules differ from AYSO rules

        Substitutions at quarters

        Limits on number or frequency of substitutions

        Minimum playing times

CYSA rules differ from HS rules

        CYSA: No substitution on corners

        CYSA: Throw-in that never goes in is taken over.

CYSA rules differ from FIFA rules

        No “fair charging” of GK in penalty area

        No alcoholic sponsorships

 

High School Play Prohibition

 

California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) Rule #600

Applies to indoor and outdoor matches

November 15-March 15 “during HS season for soccer”

- effectively, after having played first HS game

- does not affect “freshman” games that do not

have an actual HS league

        - varsity and JV

- may resume after playing last HS game

CYSA does not schedule games after November 15

 

RWL RED CARD PROCESSING

PROCEDURE

 

WHERE CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION?

 

If the information you seek is not in the FAQ, call the SAYSO office at (650) 593-5161.

 

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE GETS A RED CARD?

 

When a player or coach receives a red card, the person's player pass is confiscated by the referee. “Some time” later (hopefully, by the next day), the referee mails the player’s pass, along with a Send-Off Report (an explanation of what happened and why the red card was given), to “somebody”. That “somebody” should be the Referee Coordinator for the event.

 

The Referee Coordinator determines the period of suspension and other appropriate consequences, holds the player pass until the suspension is served, and then mails it to the player's home league president (HLP). The coach may retrieve the pass from the HLP or his designee. That’s the process in its simplest form. But, it doesn’t always work well.

 

WHO IS THE REFEREE COORDINATOR FOR THE REDWOOD LEAGUE?

 

For games involving teams registered in the Redwood Junior Soccer League (RWL), the Referee Coordinator for the 2001-2002 season is Michael Lindeburg, 1604 Fairway Drive, Belmont, CA 94002, (650) 593-5161. Referees should mail the player pass and Send-Off Report promptly to this address. (This is the same address to which game cards should be mailed after RWL games.)

 

See below for processing of red cards received in tournaments and other leagues.

 

 RED CARD CONSEQUENCE CHECKLIST

 

The period of suspension and other consequences will be determined by the RWL Referee Coordinator, based on CYSA guidelines, historical data, and common sense. They will be listed on a “Red Card Consequence Checklist” and mailed to the person who got the red card. The checklist is accompanied by a letter of explanation. When the person is a youth, the letter and checklist are mailed “To the Parents of…” The letter and checklist are not mailed to the team manager or coach unless that adult actually received the red card.

 

The “Red Card Consequence Checklist” is printed on card stock so that it will last through a few weeks or handling. To satisfy the suspensions, the person who got the red card takes the checklist to games and asks the referee to verify (by the referee signing the checklist) that the player is sitting out the game. When the required number of suspensions have been served and all other consequences (if any) have been satisfied, the card is mailed back to the Referee Coordinator. The checklist is pre-addressed and can be mailed without an envelope.

 

SO, YOU GOT A RED CARD AT AN AWAY TOURNAMENT?

 

This is probably the worst scenario, because the return path of the player pass can really get muddled. If the red card was given at a tournament, the game referee will give the player pass to the Tournament Referee Coordinator, who will give it to the Tournament Director. That’s 3 people handling the player pass already. At the end of the tournament, the Tournament Director should mail the player pass to the District 2 Commissioner, although it might get sent to the District 2 Assistant Commissioner or the District 2 Referee Coordinator. District 2 should mail the player pass back to the RWL Referee Coordinator, but it might get sent to the RWL President or any other RWL officer. Theoretically, it ends up with the RWL Referee Coordinator.

 

GOT A RED CARD IN ABRONZINO PLAY?

 

If the red card was received during Abronzino play, the send-off report and player pass are sent to the Abronzino Referee Coordinator. For the 2000-2001 playing season, that the Referee Coordinator is

 

Dave Morton

[Fax] 408-782-0557

17165 Copper Hill Drive

Morgan Hill, CA 95037

 

This is the address which you should place on your “emergency envelope”. (See below.)

 

Eventually, everything is forwarded to the RWL Referee Coordinator (or, other RWL officer) for administration of the suspensions.

 

GOT A RED CARD IN SPRING LEAGUE PLAY?

 

If the red card was received during Spring League play, the send-off report and player pass are sent to the Spring League Referee Coordinator. For the 2002-2003 playing season, that the Referee Coordinator is

 

(Unknown - Check the D2 Spring League website)

 

This is the address which you should place on your “emergency envelope”. (See below.)

 

Eventually, everything is forwarded to the RWL Referee Coordinator (or, other RWL officer) for administration of the suspensions.

 

C3PL

 

If the red card was received during C3PL play, the send-off report and player pass are sent to theC3PL Referee Coordinator. Eventually, everything is forwarded to the RWL Referee Coordinator (or, other RWL officer) for administration of the suspensions.

 

C4PL (Recreational League)

 

If the red card was received during C4PL play, the send-off report and player pass are sent to the C4PL Referee Coordinator. Eventually, everything is forwarded to the RWL Referee Coordinator (or, other RWL officer) for administration of the suspensions.

 

GOT A RED CARD IN A PRACTICE GAME?

 

If the red card was received during a practice game (scrimmage or friendly), the send-off report and player pass might be sent to just about anybody, but should be sent to the RWL Referee Coordinator. For the 2002-2003 playing season, that the Referee Coordinator is

 

(Unknown - Check the RWL website)

 

This is the address which you should place on your “emergency envelope”. (See below.)

 

Eventually, everything is forwarded to the RWL Referee Coordinator (or, other RWL officer) for administration of the suspensions.

 

HOW ARE SUSPENSIONS AND CONSEQUENCES ARRIVED AT?

 

It’s an art, not a science. The CYSA Coaching Manual contains MINIMUM suspensions. Most leagues (Abronzino, Premier, etc.) publish additional guidelines. There are long-standing precedents. Whether or not the consequences correspond to the minimum often depends on what is written by the referee on the Send-Off Report. It doesn’t “pay” to alienate the referee or tournament director.

 

IF YOU ARE A REPEAT OFFENDER

 

All leagues share their red card histories with District 2, which may issue additional penalties. (Okay, it doesn’t happen often.) If you are a repeat offender, the number of suspensions you serve will be increased (typically doubled). In the case of repeating repeaters, you may lose the right to play for the remainder of the season or for an entire 12-month period.

 

IF A COACH GETS A RED CARD

 

If a coach or other team official gets a red card, the procedure is exactly the same, although the consequences will be tailored to an adult. Typically, the number of suspensions is greater for a coach than for a player committing the same infraction.

 

For coaches, assistant coaches, trainers, and managers, “suspended” means that the team loses the benefit of your services during the suspension period, including any active participation in (1) weekly practices, (2) pre-game warm-ups, or (3) pre-game, half-time, or post-game strategy/evaluation sessions. You may NOT sign game cards prior to games. You may NOT check your team in at tournaments.

 

If you, as a suspended team official, are also a parent, you ARE permitted to observe your child in the role of a spectator. To avoid any mistaken observations, it is recommended that suspended players and coaches bring a chair and remain quietly seated at all times during games.

 

CAN AN ENTIRE TEAM GET A RED CARD?

 

It is unlikely that a referee would find it necessary to give a red card to an entire team.

 

DO TEAMS ACCUMULATE RED CARDS?

 

Teams accumulate red cards. A coach will be asked to appear before the appropriate disciplinary committee when a team has accumulated 3 or more red cards.

 

CAN A SPECTATOR GET A RED CARD?

 

Only individuals with CYSA passes (players and team officials) can get a red card. If a spectator (child or adult) is not controlled by the team officials, then the referee may either (1) abandon the game, or (2) issue a yellow or red card to a team official. It is the team officials’ responsibility to control spectators.

 

CAN SUSPENSIONS AND CONSEQUENCES BE APPEALED?

 

Yes, we “know” that the red card was undeserved. And, that this is the first card he/she has ever received. And, that the referee was biased, incompetent, blind, and obnoxious. And, that everyone saw it differently. And, that the referee never moved from the center-circle. And, that even the coach on the other team came over to tell you that the call was wrong. And, that the referee was the father of one of the players on the other team.

 

Theoretically, you can appeal the decision of anybody in CYSA. From a practical standpoint, there isn’t much sense in appealing a few suspensions, because the appeal process can take a month or more. All the while, someone is CYSA has the player pass, and nobody is going anywhere. Whatever the reason, appeals should be limited to longer suspensions (e.g., a coach receiving a year-long suspension).

 

WHERE TO PICK UP A PLAYER PASS

 

Once the individual has served all game suspensions and satisfied all other consequences, the RWL Referee Coordinator will send the player pass to the RWL President (or his designee.) Typically, such player passes are made available at regular monthly RWL meetings. Coaches wishing to have player passes mailed to them may provide a self-addressed, stamped envelope to the Referee Coordinator.

 

OH, WHAT A MESS!

 

From the description of the process, it should be obvious that it might be a very long time before a player pass is returned, especially for tournaments outside of District 2. The passes are often mailed to the wrong persons. Passes spend a lot of time in the mail. And, some passes become “lost” forever. Referee Coordinators (and other people within the process) will not let you expedi